John Frum and The Cargo Cults

{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"startTime":7.44,"endTime":12.09,"body":"Hello, my name is Joshel, host of the"},{"startTime":7.44,"endTime":12.09,"body":"Let's Start podcast, the only podcast that"},{"startTime":12.09,"endTime":13.89,"body":"guarantees to heal whatever ails you."},{"startTime":13.92,"endTime":18.36,"body":"The long as you believe and give us a"},{"startTime":13.92,"endTime":18.36,"body":"small donation at Buy Me a coffee dotcom."},{"startTime":18.64,"endTime":23.16,"body":"Let's start a couple links here in the"},{"startTime":18.64,"endTime":23.16,"body":"showing up now with that wildly unfounded claim"},{"startTime":23.25,"endTime":26.38,"body":"out of the way, let me introduce to"},{"startTime":23.25,"endTime":26.38,"body":"you my two amazing guests this episode."},{"startTime":26.7,"endTime":31.27,"body":"Both are from the incredibly hilarious"},{"startTime":26.7,"endTime":31.27,"body":"and interesting the Dumbfoundead podcast, where"},{"startTime":31.29,"endTime":35.19,"body":"each episode, Patrick and Jon discuss some of"},{"startTime":31.29,"endTime":35.19,"body":"the craziest and insane ways people die."},{"startTime":35.37,"endTime":39.42,"body":"Some deaths and puns are so terrible and"},{"startTime":35.37,"endTime":39.42,"body":"bizarre that they will leave you dumbfounded."},{"startTime":39.63,"endTime":40.92,"body":"Please welcome to the cult."},{"startTime":40.95,"endTime":43.41,"body":"I mean podcast, Patrick and Jon."},{"startTime":43.44,"endTime":44.34,"body":"How are you guys doing today?"},{"startTime":44.64,"endTime":47.4,"body":"What's going on? How's it going, man?"},{"startTime":47.4,"endTime":48.42,"body":"Has it gone good?"},{"startTime":48.42,"endTime":50.43,"body":"Good. Did you like your introduction?"},{"startTime":51.57,"endTime":52.87,"body":"You nailed it, man."},{"startTime":53.88,"endTime":55.38,"body":"Where's the papers? I want to sign up."},{"startTime":56.13,"endTime":57.72,"body":"I need to host. This is perfect."},{"startTime":58.74,"endTime":62.04,"body":"So for your podcast, The Dumbfoundead,"},{"startTime":58.74,"endTime":62.04,"body":"you guys talk about crazy."},{"startTime":62.05,"endTime":65.64,"body":"That's obviously what's maybe one of the craziest"},{"startTime":62.05,"endTime":65.64,"body":"deaths that you guys have covered so"},{"startTime":65.64,"endTime":68.41,"body":"far. Just to give our audience a little"},{"startTime":65.64,"endTime":68.41,"body":"taste, I'll let you take that one."},{"startTime":68.43,"endTime":72.18,"body":"Patrick, I know which way you're going"},{"startTime":68.43,"endTime":72.18,"body":"to pick, which was my favorite one."},{"startTime":72.36,"endTime":76.51,"body":"Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah."},{"startTime":76.95,"endTime":78.36,"body":"This this is one."},{"startTime":78.36,"endTime":82.14,"body":"And this guy was into bestiality."},{"startTime":82.26,"endTime":84.08,"body":"Oh, no. Yeah."},{"startTime":84.12,"endTime":91.24,"body":"And let's just say he had a little"},{"startTime":84.12,"endTime":91.24,"body":"entanglement with a horse and it a.."},{"startTime":91.26,"endTime":95.88,"body":"Well it seemed like they were in"},{"startTime":91.26,"endTime":95.88,"body":"a cult, that warship farm animal stuff."},{"startTime":95.91,"endTime":97.77,"body":"Yeah that's true. It was a whole group."},{"startTime":97.77,"endTime":100.23,"body":"There was a whole group of"},{"startTime":97.77,"endTime":100.23,"body":"them that were into it."},{"startTime":100.23,"endTime":103.93,"body":"And yeah. For this guy, I guess, you"},{"startTime":100.23,"endTime":103.93,"body":"know, Dorsch just got a little too rough."},{"startTime":104.07,"endTime":107.15,"body":"I mean, that's got to be one"},{"startTime":104.07,"endTime":107.15,"body":"of the most dangerous animals to get."},{"startTime":107.8,"endTime":110.4,"body":"Yeah. There's so many other animals."},{"startTime":110.4,"endTime":113.1,"body":"I just don't, you know,"},{"startTime":110.4,"endTime":113.1,"body":"whatever to each their own."},{"startTime":113.1,"endTime":115.17,"body":"I guess I don't condone any of it, but."},{"startTime":115.17,"endTime":120.21,"body":"But to choose a horse is I mean,"},{"startTime":115.17,"endTime":120.21,"body":"risk brisket for the biscuit I guess."},{"startTime":120.69,"endTime":123.42,"body":"Well that Seabiscuit risk big time."},{"startTime":123.42,"endTime":127.35,"body":"So and yeah, it made"},{"startTime":123.42,"endTime":127.35,"body":"his life really difficult."},{"startTime":129.23,"endTime":131.97,"body":"It is short to probably wheel the horses."},{"startTime":131.97,"endTime":133.86,"body":"Thing wasn't so good."},{"startTime":135.3,"endTime":136.86,"body":"So yeah. That sounds interesting to you."},{"startTime":136.86,"endTime":140.79,"body":"I mean, it sounds to me I'm going to"},{"startTime":136.86,"endTime":140.79,"body":"go watch that episode, but definitely check out the"},{"startTime":140.79,"endTime":142.08,"body":"Dumbfoundead podcast."},{"startTime":142.38,"endTime":147.48,"body":"Now, I chose this specific ALZ for you guys,"},{"startTime":142.38,"endTime":147.48,"body":"the cult for this episode, for reasons that"},{"startTime":147.48,"endTime":149.04,"body":"will become clear in a few moments."},{"startTime":149.19,"endTime":152.73,"body":"But before we get into the episode, I did"},{"startTime":149.19,"endTime":152.73,"body":"a little research on you guys before the show"},{"startTime":152.97,"endTime":158.28,"body":"and correct me if I'm wrong, but Jon, I believe"},{"startTime":152.97,"endTime":158.28,"body":"you were in a branch of the the US"},{"startTime":158.28,"endTime":159.69,"body":"military, is that correct?"},{"startTime":159.9,"endTime":161.79,"body":"Yes, it's the flying cult."},{"startTime":165.09,"endTime":167.03,"body":"OK, OK, very interesting."},{"startTime":167.04,"endTime":169.71,"body":"And Patrick, you've known Jon"},{"startTime":167.04,"endTime":169.71,"body":"for a while, right?"},{"startTime":169.95,"endTime":171.69,"body":"Yeah, about 15 years now."},{"startTime":171.78,"endTime":172.79,"body":"Oh, OK."},{"startTime":173.04,"endTime":177.96,"body":"Does he seem like someone who could inspire"},{"startTime":173.04,"endTime":177.96,"body":"an entire people to worship him for about"},{"startTime":177.99,"endTime":179.22,"body":"half a century or something?"},{"startTime":179.37,"endTime":184.46,"body":"Half a century is the older than"},{"startTime":179.37,"endTime":184.46,"body":"he looks is what a man?"},{"startTime":186.54,"endTime":190.2,"body":"I don't think Jon could get people"},{"startTime":186.54,"endTime":190.2,"body":"to follow him for that long."},{"startTime":190.35,"endTime":192.48,"body":"Hey, man, I got some charisma."},{"startTime":192.75,"endTime":200.36,"body":"I mean, I'm not saying you don't, but we're"},{"startTime":192.75,"endTime":200.36,"body":"finding out there is my entire theory of this"},{"startTime":200.37,"endTime":205.0,"body":"episode rests on him being able to"},{"startTime":200.37,"endTime":205.0,"body":"get a bunch of followers very quickly."},{"startTime":205.98,"endTime":211.56,"body":"So I hope he can, because today's episode, we're"},{"startTime":205.98,"endTime":211.56,"body":"going to be focusing on the cargo cult,"},{"startTime":211.74,"endTime":215.94,"body":"these remote island cults, which are the"},{"startTime":211.74,"endTime":215.94,"body":"direct result of European colonialism and"},{"startTime":215.94,"endTime":218.15,"body":"American soldiers, which are mostly extinct."},{"startTime":218.34,"endTime":222.33,"body":"One, though, remains on an island in the"},{"startTime":218.34,"endTime":222.33,"body":"South Pacific where islanders believe in an"},{"startTime":222.33,"endTime":226.89,"body":"American God who will supply them with"},{"startTime":222.33,"endTime":226.89,"body":"advanced technology and good fortune, a messiah"},{"startTime":226.89,"endTime":229.33,"body":"like figure known as John Broome."},{"startTime":229.72,"endTime":235.59,"body":"Oh, John, you know, I'm still doing some"},{"startTime":229.72,"endTime":235.59,"body":"sort of role play in this episode."},{"startTime":236.07,"endTime":240.45,"body":"Well, yeah, you'd be the horse and."},{"startTime":240.45,"endTime":244.42,"body":"No, no, no."},{"startTime":244.92,"endTime":246.51,"body":"I just see the connections."},{"startTime":246.52,"endTime":253.5,"body":"American soldiers, John made up sounding last name,"},{"startTime":246.52,"endTime":253.5,"body":"you know, OK, like it was falling"},{"startTime":253.87,"endTime":255.6,"body":"into place when I was doing the research."},{"startTime":255.72,"endTime":257.19,"body":"I feel like you did this on purpose."},{"startTime":257.2,"endTime":259.11,"body":"I like you. You strategized about this."},{"startTime":259.14,"endTime":260.7,"body":"It was a lucky coincidence."},{"startTime":262.41,"endTime":268.83,"body":"So if you guys heard of the cargo cults or"},{"startTime":262.41,"endTime":268.83,"body":"any or John Froom, no good, because this will"},{"startTime":268.83,"endTime":271.11,"body":"make for a very interesting"},{"startTime":268.83,"endTime":271.11,"body":"episode, then we're ready."},{"startTime":271.26,"endTime":272.87,"body":"Perfect. We'll start at the beginning."},{"startTime":272.88,"endTime":274.5,"body":"Kind of talk about the islands a bit."},{"startTime":274.5,"endTime":279.42,"body":"So at the turn of the 20th century,"},{"startTime":274.5,"endTime":279.42,"body":"British and French colonizers and missionaries docked"},{"startTime":279.42,"endTime":283.08,"body":"their boats on the white sandy"},{"startTime":279.42,"endTime":283.08,"body":"beaches off the coast of Australia."},{"startTime":283.2,"endTime":287.31,"body":"On some islands, the white foreigners name the"},{"startTime":283.2,"endTime":287.31,"body":"string of islands New Hebrides and forced"},{"startTime":287.32,"endTime":290.93,"body":"the islanders to abandon their customs and"},{"startTime":287.32,"endTime":290.93,"body":"beliefs so that they could become, quote,"},{"startTime":290.94,"endTime":293.22,"body":"civilised in the eyes of the Western world."},{"startTime":293.4,"endTime":297.45,"body":"They made them learn French and English,"},{"startTime":293.4,"endTime":297.45,"body":"forbidding them to speak their native language."},{"startTime":297.48,"endTime":301.38,"body":"They forced them to go to Christian"},{"startTime":297.48,"endTime":301.38,"body":"churches and built Westernised schools for their"},{"startTime":301.38,"endTime":304.77,"body":"children. They did everything they could to"},{"startTime":301.38,"endTime":304.77,"body":"strip the islanders of their identity."},{"startTime":304.92,"endTime":308.92,"body":"No. Additional dances, no traditional foods"},{"startTime":304.92,"endTime":308.92,"body":"or drinks, no traditional religion or"},{"startTime":308.92,"endTime":312.51,"body":"spirituality, traditional languages"},{"startTime":308.92,"endTime":312.51,"body":"and no independence."},{"startTime":312.73,"endTime":318.22,"body":"And I know you guys are thinking, but"},{"startTime":312.73,"endTime":318.22,"body":"the British and French taking over an indigenous"},{"startTime":318.22,"endTime":321.48,"body":"peoples and stripping them of their"},{"startTime":318.22,"endTime":321.48,"body":"culture, that doesn't sound like them."},{"startTime":321.49,"endTime":329.47,"body":"They could never they would never do that multiple"},{"startTime":321.49,"endTime":329.47,"body":"times over the span of a century or"},{"startTime":329.98,"endTime":333.97,"body":"more rude. Have you guys heard of these"},{"startTime":329.98,"endTime":333.97,"body":"islands like these down in the South Pacific?"},{"startTime":334.09,"endTime":335.5,"body":"No, I'm scared of everything."},{"startTime":335.5,"endTime":337.42,"body":"Australia. I feel like everything"},{"startTime":335.5,"endTime":337.42,"body":"here will kill me."},{"startTime":337.97,"endTime":344.32,"body":"They're not I don't think they're technically Australian,"},{"startTime":337.97,"endTime":344.32,"body":"but it's close enough to many of"},{"startTime":344.32,"endTime":349.0,"body":"the islanders were kidnapped and shipped to"},{"startTime":344.32,"endTime":349.0,"body":"Australia to work was brutal, heartbreaking"},{"startTime":349.0,"endTime":350.98,"body":"and terrifying for the entire island nation."},{"startTime":351.25,"endTime":356.74,"body":"Then, decades into the islanders ruthless colonisation,"},{"startTime":351.25,"endTime":356.74,"body":"King John Froom, a hero clad in"},{"startTime":356.74,"endTime":359.86,"body":"white. No one knows who John from"},{"startTime":356.74,"endTime":359.86,"body":"is or where he came from."},{"startTime":359.98,"endTime":364.0,"body":"But he has many origin stories on"},{"startTime":359.98,"endTime":364.0,"body":"on the island of the South Pacific."},{"startTime":364.0,"endTime":367.87,"body":"And I'll be going through like some"},{"startTime":364.0,"endTime":367.87,"body":"of the most prominent origin stories."},{"startTime":367.87,"endTime":371.74,"body":"But my main theory is still that"},{"startTime":367.87,"endTime":371.74,"body":"it's you, John, except I'm not white."},{"startTime":371.74,"endTime":375.64,"body":"I'm Super 10. It says clad in white gladioli."},{"startTime":375.67,"endTime":377.78,"body":"OK, so OK, good to know."},{"startTime":378.28,"endTime":382.0,"body":"Yeah. I don't know if"},{"startTime":378.28,"endTime":382.0,"body":"it mentions his ethnicity."},{"startTime":382.0,"endTime":383.41,"body":"I don't know. I don't think it does."},{"startTime":383.41,"endTime":385.99,"body":"So it's a legend."},{"startTime":385.99,"endTime":388.54,"body":"So I don't I don't know if"},{"startTime":385.99,"endTime":388.54,"body":"they classify them as white or not."},{"startTime":388.63,"endTime":393.7,"body":"But anyway, the first story I'll tell you guys,"},{"startTime":388.63,"endTime":393.7,"body":"in the late nineteen thirties, a group of"},{"startTime":393.7,"endTime":398.41,"body":"elders on the island of Tanna chugged quite"},{"startTime":393.7,"endTime":398.41,"body":"a few shells of kava, which is an"},{"startTime":398.41,"endTime":402.58,"body":"intoxicating blend of pepper and"},{"startTime":398.41,"endTime":402.58,"body":"narcotics known as island beer."},{"startTime":402.85,"endTime":407.92,"body":"I can only imagine the morning after drinking that"},{"startTime":402.85,"endTime":407.92,"body":"feels like it's got to be the worst"},{"startTime":407.92,"endTime":410.71,"body":"hangover. It's just pepper"},{"startTime":407.92,"endTime":410.71,"body":"and narcotics, right?"},{"startTime":410.8,"endTime":417.7,"body":"What can I get a bottle? No, send John over"},{"startTime":410.8,"endTime":417.7,"body":"to you and just just pay shipping and handling"},{"startTime":417.71,"endTime":423.43,"body":"brawl. I got you. So in their drunken state,"},{"startTime":417.71,"endTime":423.43,"body":"they were visited by a man who spoke the"},{"startTime":423.43,"endTime":424.99,"body":"native language of the island."},{"startTime":425.11,"endTime":427.18,"body":"He encouraged the islanders"},{"startTime":425.11,"endTime":427.18,"body":"to abandon everything."},{"startTime":427.18,"endTime":430.48,"body":"The missionaries and colonists taught them to take"},{"startTime":427.18,"endTime":430.48,"body":"their children out of the white man's"},{"startTime":430.48,"endTime":434.29,"body":"schools, to rid themselves of the white man's"},{"startTime":430.48,"endTime":434.29,"body":"money or in clothes, to abandon the"},{"startTime":434.29,"endTime":437.74,"body":"Christian churches and to return"},{"startTime":434.29,"endTime":437.74,"body":"to the traditional island customs."},{"startTime":437.95,"endTime":442.39,"body":"These customs included drinking kava,"},{"startTime":437.95,"endTime":442.39,"body":"worshipping magic stones, performing ritualistic"},{"startTime":442.39,"endTime":447.16,"body":"dances and other traditions deemed, quote,"},{"startTime":442.39,"endTime":447.16,"body":"savage and forbidden by the colonizers."},{"startTime":447.43,"endTime":452.5,"body":"This story definitely sounds like just a bunch of"},{"startTime":447.43,"endTime":452.5,"body":"guys got out and got just wasted and"},{"startTime":453.13,"endTime":458.53,"body":"hallucinated their own desires, which gave them the"},{"startTime":453.13,"endTime":458.53,"body":"I don't know, the motivation to fight"},{"startTime":458.53,"endTime":461.05,"body":"off their oppressors. I guess that's"},{"startTime":458.53,"endTime":461.05,"body":"kind of where I get this."},{"startTime":461.05,"endTime":464.11,"body":"It's kind of a hopeful story,"},{"startTime":461.05,"endTime":464.11,"body":"but probably not the true one."},{"startTime":464.14,"endTime":465.67,"body":"It sounds like us on a Friday night."},{"startTime":466.06,"endTime":469.57,"body":"Yeah, I was just going to ask, how"},{"startTime":466.06,"endTime":469.57,"body":"much is the ticket to these islands?"},{"startTime":471.79,"endTime":477.94,"body":"Bottle of Cava. And then so you guys do"},{"startTime":471.79,"endTime":477.94,"body":"this every Friday, you just get wasted and then"},{"startTime":478.54,"endTime":479.71,"body":"want to fight the white man."},{"startTime":479.98,"endTime":489.9,"body":"This will probably probably twenty twenty"},{"startTime":479.98,"endTime":489.9,"body":"bucks twenty twenty before Corona go."},{"startTime":490.69,"endTime":497.32,"body":"Right. It was like years ago said one of"},{"startTime":490.69,"endTime":497.32,"body":"the other versions of the origin of John Froom"},{"startTime":497.32,"endTime":502.21,"body":"was he was simply made up by the locals who yearn"},{"startTime":497.32,"endTime":502.21,"body":"for a man to be on their side to join"},{"startTime":502.21,"endTime":504.88,"body":"their fight against the colonizers"},{"startTime":502.21,"endTime":504.88,"body":"and to empathize with them."},{"startTime":504.88,"endTime":508.96,"body":"Basically, this version was backed up in"},{"startTime":504.88,"endTime":508.96,"body":"the nineteen forties by the island administrator,"},{"startTime":508.96,"endTime":514.03,"body":"Alexander Batool, who said that the word Froom"},{"startTime":508.96,"endTime":514.03,"body":"is actually pronounced like the word room"},{"startTime":514.03,"endTime":518.56,"body":"in Tanny's. So John Froom was created as a"},{"startTime":514.03,"endTime":518.56,"body":"symbol for sweeping the white people off the"},{"startTime":518.56,"endTime":520.96,"body":"island, which I think is very poetic."},{"startTime":520.96,"endTime":522.46,"body":"Pretty deep. Pretty deep."},{"startTime":522.71,"endTime":525.85,"body":"Exactly. And then there's a variation."},{"startTime":525.85,"endTime":530.53,"body":"So the other story is that John's firm's name"},{"startTime":525.85,"endTime":530.53,"body":"just means John from America or even John"},{"startTime":530.53,"endTime":534.16,"body":"from somewhere else. Whether or not the name"},{"startTime":530.53,"endTime":534.16,"body":"takes a double meaning of sweeping out the"},{"startTime":534.22,"endTime":538.78,"body":"white colonizers varies from person to"},{"startTime":534.22,"endTime":538.78,"body":"person, depending on individual beliefs."},{"startTime":538.78,"endTime":543.91,"body":"But the John from America meaning is"},{"startTime":538.78,"endTime":543.91,"body":"the most widely acknowledged among historians."},{"startTime":544.09,"endTime":548.77,"body":"They make the most sense because they create"},{"startTime":544.09,"endTime":548.77,"body":"this messiah like figure to help motivate"},{"startTime":548.77,"endTime":552.28,"body":"them to rebel against the white people"},{"startTime":548.77,"endTime":552.28,"body":"that have taken over the island, basically."},{"startTime":552.43,"endTime":554.8,"body":"And I think that's I"},{"startTime":552.43,"endTime":554.8,"body":"think everyone should do this."},{"startTime":557.17,"endTime":558.22,"body":"I support it all."},{"startTime":558.61,"endTime":562.13,"body":"Yeah, it's like your uncle, right?"},{"startTime":562.18,"endTime":565.66,"body":"Yeah. Yeah. Well, we'll start in"},{"startTime":562.18,"endTime":565.66,"body":"North America, you know, start small."},{"startTime":565.69,"endTime":567.52,"body":"We'll try and wipe all"},{"startTime":565.69,"endTime":567.52,"body":"the white people off there."},{"startTime":568.3,"endTime":572.05,"body":"Yeah. Good luck, Patrick."},{"startTime":572.05,"endTime":573.76,"body":"You got California. I got Texas."},{"startTime":574.12,"endTime":575.23,"body":"I'll get all of Canada."},{"startTime":575.8,"endTime":578.27,"body":"Yeah. There you go. Have a"},{"startTime":575.8,"endTime":578.27,"body":"pincer attack going on right there."},{"startTime":578.53,"endTime":581.81,"body":"It's perfect. We'll end it in New York,"},{"startTime":578.53,"endTime":581.81,"body":"grab a shawarma and and or something."},{"startTime":581.83,"endTime":584.68,"body":"Sounds perfect. Well, I'll be"},{"startTime":581.83,"endTime":584.68,"body":"off the island as well."},{"startTime":584.68,"endTime":589.51,"body":"But so the messiah"},{"startTime":584.68,"endTime":589.51,"body":"like figure actually worked."},{"startTime":589.51,"endTime":593.71,"body":"And by the nineteen forty one, the myth of"},{"startTime":589.51,"endTime":593.71,"body":"the hero John Froom spread across the island"},{"startTime":593.71,"endTime":596.38,"body":"and locals were inspired to"},{"startTime":593.71,"endTime":596.38,"body":"fight back against their colonizers."},{"startTime":596.53,"endTime":600.1,"body":"They ditched their European money in the"},{"startTime":596.53,"endTime":600.1,"body":"seas, adrenaline pumping as they watched their"},{"startTime":600.1,"endTime":601.63,"body":"wages get swallowed by the waves."},{"startTime":601.84,"endTime":604.84,"body":"They slaughtered the pigs and welcome"},{"startTime":601.84,"endTime":604.84,"body":"their new messiah with a traditional."},{"startTime":605.18,"endTime":606.38,"body":"Maria Island feast."},{"startTime":606.53,"endTime":612.89,"body":"I don't know what the pigs had to do with all"},{"startTime":606.53,"endTime":612.89,"body":"of it, but they they well at night or pigs"},{"startTime":613.04,"endTime":617.69,"body":"in a rage, colonial officers arrested leaders of"},{"startTime":613.04,"endTime":617.69,"body":"the protest, shipping them to the prison"},{"startTime":617.69,"endTime":619.47,"body":"in a distant island of Port Vila."},{"startTime":619.73,"endTime":623.74,"body":"These brave, locked up leaders became the"},{"startTime":619.73,"endTime":623.74,"body":"first official martyrs of the movement."},{"startTime":623.96,"endTime":625.24,"body":"So they're starting to fight back."},{"startTime":625.26,"endTime":627.95,"body":"Now they're starting to get"},{"startTime":625.26,"endTime":627.95,"body":"out from under the rule."},{"startTime":627.95,"endTime":630.02,"body":"And I mean, keep in mind,"},{"startTime":627.95,"endTime":630.02,"body":"this is nineteen forty one."},{"startTime":630.02,"endTime":631.4,"body":"So the war is going on."},{"startTime":631.43,"endTime":635.36,"body":"The British and French aren't quite as focused on"},{"startTime":631.43,"endTime":635.36,"body":"this area of the world right at the"},{"startTime":635.36,"endTime":639.8,"body":"moment. 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They tricked."},{"startTime":760.49,"endTime":762.53,"body":"They tricked. Dammit."},{"startTime":762.53,"endTime":764.78,"body":"John King."},{"startTime":764.78,"endTime":766.58,"body":"John, it's always a John."},{"startTime":767.15,"endTime":770.6,"body":"It was while the Americans were stationed on"},{"startTime":767.15,"endTime":770.6,"body":"the island that the Messiah, John Froom,"},{"startTime":770.6,"endTime":771.83,"body":"became Americanized."},{"startTime":772.13,"endTime":776.27,"body":"So before he was basically just this figure"},{"startTime":772.13,"endTime":776.27,"body":"had no country or anything like that."},{"startTime":776.27,"endTime":780.86,"body":"He was just a figure. 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I don't know. Yeah."},{"startTime":1071.02,"endTime":1074.53,"body":"So these that these people are"},{"startTime":1071.02,"endTime":1074.53,"body":"actually hoping for something right now."},{"startTime":1074.77,"endTime":1076.63,"body":"They're they're Americanized now."},{"startTime":1076.63,"endTime":1080.89,"body":"They want it now. They want they want"},{"startTime":1076.63,"endTime":1080.89,"body":"it on their doorstep to day delivery."},{"startTime":1080.92,"endTime":1082.9,"body":"Yeah. Prime I need it."},{"startTime":1083.35,"endTime":1084.4,"body":"Prime delivery."},{"startTime":1084.4,"endTime":1087.68,"body":"Right. Yeah. They want that"},{"startTime":1084.4,"endTime":1087.68,"body":"stimulus package like right away."},{"startTime":1087.76,"endTime":1090.01,"body":"Exactly. Give my twelve hundred."},{"startTime":1091.87,"endTime":1094.33,"body":"Oh God. 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He didn't show up again."},{"startTime":1165.16,"endTime":1168.67,"body":"And in an effort to get his attention, to let"},{"startTime":1165.16,"endTime":1168.67,"body":"them know just how much they loved him and"},{"startTime":1168.67,"endTime":1173.59,"body":"needed their precious leader and his cargo"},{"startTime":1168.67,"endTime":1173.59,"body":"followers built model landing strips for"},{"startTime":1173.59,"endTime":1178.51,"body":"airplanes along with bamboo control towers, which"},{"startTime":1173.59,"endTime":1178.51,"body":"used rope and bamboo aerials to guide"},{"startTime":1178.51,"endTime":1180.55,"body":"the planes from would one day arrive."},{"startTime":1180.55,"endTime":1185.65,"body":"And they even made these huge life sized"},{"startTime":1180.55,"endTime":1185.65,"body":"bamboo replicas of wartime planes, which quickly"},{"startTime":1185.65,"endTime":1190.3,"body":"became a symbol like a holy symbol,"},{"startTime":1185.65,"endTime":1190.3,"body":"basically like the cross in Christianity."},{"startTime":1190.63,"endTime":1193.6,"body":"And actually, I really want to show you"},{"startTime":1190.63,"endTime":1193.6,"body":"guys these, because they're some of the coolest"},{"startTime":1193.6,"endTime":1197.17,"body":"shit, like some of the stuff"},{"startTime":1193.6,"endTime":1197.17,"body":"they built out of, like, bamboo."},{"startTime":1197.17,"endTime":1198.19,"body":"It's crazy."},{"startTime":1198.19,"endTime":1200.08,"body":"So I'll see if I can't send you this."},{"startTime":1200.08,"endTime":1202.62,"body":"And for everyone else, I'll"},{"startTime":1200.08,"endTime":1202.62,"body":"link them in the show."},{"startTime":1202.63,"endTime":1203.89,"body":"Notes at first."},{"startTime":1203.89,"endTime":1205.61,"body":"When you first. 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So, so definitely take a look at them, I'll"},{"startTime":1246.01,"endTime":1249.22,"body":"link them in the show notes like I said,"},{"startTime":1249.22,"endTime":1251.95,"body":"so that everyone can take"},{"startTime":1249.22,"endTime":1251.95,"body":"a look but definitely cool."},{"startTime":1252.94,"endTime":1258.13,"body":"In 1960 for a cargo cult in Papua New"},{"startTime":1252.94,"endTime":1258.13,"body":"Guinea, pledged a thousand dollars to get US"},{"startTime":1258.13,"endTime":1260.32,"body":"government official."},{"startTime":1260.32,"endTime":1263.35,"body":"I don't know what he was technically"},{"startTime":1260.32,"endTime":1263.35,"body":"the president, wasn't he, Lyndon B."},{"startTime":1263.35,"endTime":1264.67,"body":"Johnson? Yeah, it was a president."},{"startTime":1264.7,"endTime":1266.8,"body":"Yeah, it was in nineteen sixty four."},{"startTime":1267.03,"endTime":1270.4,"body":"Sure. 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Well Patrick, you've been"},{"startTime":1277.57,"endTime":1282.46,"body":"a citizen so what's your excuse."},{"startTime":1283.42,"endTime":1288.01,"body":"So they pledged a thousand dollars to Lyndon Johnson"},{"startTime":1283.42,"endTime":1288.01,"body":"if you would come to the island and"},{"startTime":1288.01,"endTime":1289.84,"body":"be their most revered chief."},{"startTime":1289.99,"endTime":1294.58,"body":"But Johnson stayed home, unfortunately, shattering"},{"startTime":1289.99,"endTime":1294.58,"body":"the hearts of hopeful cult members."},{"startTime":1294.67,"endTime":1296.74,"body":"I don't know why"},{"startTime":1294.67,"endTime":1296.74,"body":"they wanted him specifically."},{"startTime":1296.89,"endTime":1301.57,"body":"If it's because they're like Johnson's close"},{"startTime":1296.89,"endTime":1301.57,"body":"enough to John or they literally maybe"},{"startTime":1301.57,"endTime":1302.92,"body":"thought he was John's son."},{"startTime":1302.95,"endTime":1307.84,"body":"I don't know, like they're like"},{"startTime":1302.95,"endTime":1307.84,"body":"the son of our messiah."},{"startTime":1307.84,"endTime":1310.06,"body":"We'll take that. Like we'll give"},{"startTime":1307.84,"endTime":1310.06,"body":"you a thousand dollars for that."},{"startTime":1310.16,"endTime":1312.28,"body":"Like there's so many Johnsons out there."},{"startTime":1313.39,"endTime":1315.97,"body":"Well, he was made of the most"},{"startTime":1313.39,"endTime":1315.97,"body":"famous one, though, right at the time."},{"startTime":1315.97,"endTime":1320.44,"body":"That's true. And I mean, I don't know if I"},{"startTime":1315.97,"endTime":1320.44,"body":"was him, why wouldn't you just take it like"},{"startTime":1320.53,"endTime":1321.82,"body":"there, make you your God?"},{"startTime":1321.82,"endTime":1324.51,"body":"Basically, like they make it a paradise?"},{"startTime":1324.68,"endTime":1326.38,"body":"Yeah. We show up at least."},{"startTime":1326.38,"endTime":1328.75,"body":"Come on. We're calling them out right now."},{"startTime":1328.75,"endTime":1331.96,"body":"I don't know if he's still alive or"},{"startTime":1328.75,"endTime":1331.96,"body":"not, but I don't think he is."},{"startTime":1332.17,"endTime":1333.9,"body":"Probably not. 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They have blended their Christian ideals"},{"startTime":1350.56,"endTime":1354.55,"body":"with that of their belief in John"},{"startTime":1354.55,"endTime":1359.83,"body":"Froom, one islander, explained to a reporter for"},{"startTime":1354.55,"endTime":1359.83,"body":"the Smithsonian that, quote, I am now a"},{"startTime":1359.83,"endTime":1363.97,"body":"Christian, but like most people on Tanna, I"},{"startTime":1359.83,"endTime":1363.97,"body":"still have John Froom in my heart."},{"startTime":1364.24,"endTime":1367.42,"body":"If we keep praying to John, he'll"},{"startTime":1364.24,"endTime":1367.42,"body":"come back with plenty of cargo."},{"startTime":1368.17,"endTime":1371.59,"body":"Still find it so funny that just like"},{"startTime":1368.17,"endTime":1371.59,"body":"we need a job, you got to go."},{"startTime":1371.95,"endTime":1373.93,"body":"I know this is an opportunity."},{"startTime":1374.53,"endTime":1377.29,"body":"Maybe maybe he died and"},{"startTime":1374.53,"endTime":1377.29,"body":"he just didn't resurrect."},{"startTime":1377.29,"endTime":1378.85,"body":"Yeah. Like Jesus in three days."},{"startTime":1378.85,"endTime":1382.12,"body":"That's his his waiting time is little longer."},{"startTime":1382.3,"endTime":1383.92,"body":"And you're the resurrection, bro."},{"startTime":1383.92,"endTime":1386.4,"body":"You are the one true."},{"startTime":1387.26,"endTime":1389.86,"body":"You you've woken up, you"},{"startTime":1387.26,"endTime":1389.86,"body":"have to fly over there."},{"startTime":1389.98,"endTime":1391.27,"body":"I'm just going to indoctrinate them."},{"startTime":1391.27,"endTime":1393.19,"body":"Like listen to my podcast."},{"startTime":1394.0,"endTime":1396.31,"body":"Maybe with their satellite dishes"},{"startTime":1394.0,"endTime":1396.31,"body":"they'll pick you guys up."},{"startTime":1398.11,"endTime":1401.48,"body":"I mean, at this time around, this those"},{"startTime":1398.11,"endTime":1401.48,"body":"are only people are listening to us."},{"startTime":1401.48,"endTime":1404.86,"body":"They like rooms."},{"startTime":1404.86,"endTime":1409.3,"body":"Followers are so devoted to them that they even"},{"startTime":1404.86,"endTime":1409.3,"body":"deemed their most sacred volcano to be the"},{"startTime":1409.3,"endTime":1410.35,"body":"host of John Froom."},{"startTime":1410.62,"endTime":1415.45,"body":"They call that volcano Yasir, which means God"},{"startTime":1410.62,"endTime":1415.45,"body":"and legend has it that Froom uses the"},{"startTime":1415.45,"endTime":1419.68,"body":"island to gain access to the sea, where"},{"startTime":1415.45,"endTime":1419.68,"body":"he travels back and forth regularly from the"},{"startTime":1419.68,"endTime":1425.4,"body":"United States to make a lot"},{"startTime":1419.68,"endTime":1425.4,"body":"of direct flights to volcanoes."},{"startTime":1425.62,"endTime":1427.72,"body":"And that's a lot of frequent flyer miles."},{"startTime":1427.73,"endTime":1429.97,"body":"Mann Holy holy platinum or something."},{"startTime":1429.97,"endTime":1434.35,"body":"Now, especially during covid,"},{"startTime":1429.97,"endTime":1434.35,"body":"that's cheap flights."},{"startTime":1435.1,"endTime":1436.24,"body":"Oh God."},{"startTime":1436.87,"endTime":1440.83,"body":"At sunset each night, the most prominent male"},{"startTime":1436.87,"endTime":1440.83,"body":"members of the cargo cult drink covid"},{"startTime":1440.83,"endTime":1442.42,"body":"together and pray to Froom."},{"startTime":1442.42,"endTime":1445.0,"body":"And they also have a sign"},{"startTime":1442.42,"endTime":1445.0,"body":"that says no girls allowed."},{"startTime":1446.29,"endTime":1450.43,"body":"The chief then makes his way into the woods"},{"startTime":1446.29,"endTime":1450.43,"body":"alone, where he meets with firm spirit and"},{"startTime":1450.43,"endTime":1456.45,"body":"speaks with him. The man, though, he's"},{"startTime":1450.43,"endTime":1456.45,"body":"still fucked up on the basis."},{"startTime":1456.52,"endTime":1457.64,"body":"Yeah, for sure."},{"startTime":1458.17,"endTime":1463.12,"body":"The chief's hut is decorated with American"},{"startTime":1458.17,"endTime":1463.12,"body":"flags, military uniforms and handmade wooden"},{"startTime":1463.12,"endTime":1466.93,"body":"bald eagles. Most prominently, there are two"},{"startTime":1463.12,"endTime":1466.93,"body":"blackboards like you might see in an"},{"startTime":1466.93,"endTime":1470.32,"body":"elementary school with John Friends"},{"startTime":1466.93,"endTime":1470.32,"body":"Commandments written on them."},{"startTime":1470.32,"endTime":1475.27,"body":"On the board, Froom tells his followers to lead"},{"startTime":1470.32,"endTime":1475.27,"body":"a custom life and to not commit any acts"},{"startTime":1475.27,"endTime":1476.95,"body":"of violence onto another person."},{"startTime":1477.88,"endTime":1483.58,"body":"I find that while because if I saw someone"},{"startTime":1477.88,"endTime":1483.58,"body":"with an American flags all over their house,"},{"startTime":1483.58,"endTime":1490.81,"body":"military uniforms, you know, I the last thing I"},{"startTime":1483.58,"endTime":1490.81,"body":"would expect is to be like, we don't do"},{"startTime":1490.81,"endTime":1492.49,"body":"violence here. You know what I mean?"},{"startTime":1493.39,"endTime":1496.03,"body":"No offense to America."},{"startTime":1496.42,"endTime":1500.02,"body":"None taken. You're like, I know those people."},{"startTime":1500.11,"endTime":1503.65,"body":"Yeah, yeah, yeah. 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Maybe"},{"startTime":1522.04,"endTime":1525.94,"body":"he was an American."},{"startTime":1526.12,"endTime":1527.2,"body":"He's Canadian."},{"startTime":1527.56,"endTime":1529.35,"body":"Oh, changing."},{"startTime":1529.42,"endTime":1533.62,"body":"They start changing their flags everywhere."},{"startTime":1534.79,"endTime":1536.26,"body":"Maple syrup. I don't know."},{"startTime":1537.07,"endTime":1538.69,"body":"Poutine. Sounds good."},{"startTime":1539.02,"endTime":1540.88,"body":"We'd probably still get messed up on covid."},{"startTime":1541.57,"endTime":1544.38,"body":"Yeah. I mean, I think that's like a"},{"startTime":1541.57,"endTime":1544.38,"body":"universal thing that we got going on."},{"startTime":1544.4,"endTime":1545.91,"body":"We'll get fucked that one. Yeah."},{"startTime":1545.95,"endTime":1547.3,"body":"Whatever, whatever. Put it in me."},{"startTime":1549.19,"endTime":1553.66,"body":"The board itself also boasts a large Red"},{"startTime":1549.19,"endTime":1553.66,"body":"Cross, which is another religious symbol for"},{"startTime":1553.66,"endTime":1559.24,"body":"firms followers, which is probably copied from the"},{"startTime":1553.66,"endTime":1559.24,"body":"side of wartime ambulances or the Red"},{"startTime":1559.24,"endTime":1560.71,"body":"Cross. Yeah, exactly."},{"startTime":1560.71,"endTime":1564.63,"body":"Yeah. I mean, yeah, there's"},{"startTime":1560.71,"endTime":1564.63,"body":"worse things to Abaza."},{"startTime":1564.64,"endTime":1566.45,"body":"I mean I guess. Yeah, yeah."},{"startTime":1566.65,"endTime":1569.95,"body":"Yeah. Definitely words or"},{"startTime":1566.65,"endTime":1569.95,"body":"symbols you can have."},{"startTime":1570.19,"endTime":1571.93,"body":"Yeah, yeah. Maybe it was a Swiss guy."},{"startTime":1571.93,"endTime":1574.56,"body":"There you go. Pretty, pretty fast."},{"startTime":1574.59,"endTime":1576.55,"body":"I don't know what he'd be doing"},{"startTime":1574.59,"endTime":1576.55,"body":"out there in the war though."},{"startTime":1577.4,"endTime":1578.67,"body":"Really. Do think he got lost."},{"startTime":1579.76,"endTime":1581.56,"body":"It's like oh shit, I'm in the wrong unit."},{"startTime":1582.83,"endTime":1584.35,"body":"I was looking for Australia."},{"startTime":1584.35,"endTime":1587.58,"body":"Are we. 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Hilarious because it is such"},{"startTime":1608.32,"endTime":1615.94,"body":"a mundane name and so weird."},{"startTime":1617.08,"endTime":1619.45,"body":"Like, would you follow a guy named Fred?"},{"startTime":1620.29,"endTime":1622.84,"body":"This is like Prophet Fred has spoken to me."},{"startTime":1623.29,"endTime":1628.21,"body":"Like what? Yeah, I'd maybe follow him"},{"startTime":1623.29,"endTime":1628.21,"body":"to like, I don't know, a cheeseburger."},{"startTime":1628.33,"endTime":1630.94,"body":"Like a depot."},{"startTime":1630.94,"endTime":1633.43,"body":"Yeah. I'm Prophet Fred."},{"startTime":1633.43,"endTime":1636.34,"body":"I'm I'll be your health at the DMV."},{"startTime":1637.18,"endTime":1638.74,"body":"Yeah. Yeah, exactly."},{"startTime":1638.89,"endTime":1642.43,"body":"And it's totally OK to make fun of them because"},{"startTime":1638.89,"endTime":1642.43,"body":"he's kind of a he's kind of a piece of"},{"startTime":1642.43,"endTime":1646.93,"body":"shit to be honest. Fred is is a cult"},{"startTime":1642.43,"endTime":1646.93,"body":"leader in his own right, claiming to have revived"},{"startTime":1646.93,"endTime":1650.71,"body":"his wife from the dead. His followers hanging"},{"startTime":1646.93,"endTime":1650.71,"body":"on to his every word is gospel."},{"startTime":1650.98,"endTime":1655.36,"body":"And he claimed to have a vision while on a"},{"startTime":1650.98,"endTime":1655.36,"body":"fishing boat in which God told them to preach"},{"startTime":1655.36,"endTime":1659.62,"body":"a new religion. After his vision, he properly"},{"startTime":1655.36,"endTime":1659.62,"body":"founded his own version of the cargo cult"},{"startTime":1659.74,"endTime":1661.21,"body":"he named Unity."},{"startTime":1661.54,"endTime":1666.49,"body":"So Unity blends together Christianity, John Froom"},{"startTime":1661.54,"endTime":1666.49,"body":"and ancient rituals to create a"},{"startTime":1666.49,"endTime":1669.85,"body":"doctrine that basically as many"},{"startTime":1666.49,"endTime":1669.85,"body":"islanders will want to follow."},{"startTime":1670.03,"endTime":1675.1,"body":"And Prophet Fred's group does not worship John"},{"startTime":1670.03,"endTime":1675.1,"body":"Froom as their messiah, but rather use him"},{"startTime":1675.1,"endTime":1677.53,"body":"as a disciple like figure prophet."},{"startTime":1677.53,"endTime":1680.62,"body":"Fred is kind of filling that messiah"},{"startTime":1677.53,"endTime":1680.62,"body":"like figure, I guess, in this cult."},{"startTime":1680.62,"endTime":1683.14,"body":"And John Froom is just like a figurehead."},{"startTime":1683.2,"endTime":1684.62,"body":"He's like Paul or something like that."},{"startTime":1684.65,"endTime":1687.73,"body":"One of the guys. 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He's claiming to be able"},{"startTime":1760.72,"endTime":1764.86,"body":"to heal and like, tell your future."},{"startTime":1764.86,"endTime":1771.34,"body":"And it's a lot of cult leaders grifts is"},{"startTime":1764.86,"endTime":1771.34,"body":"to promise healing in some sort of usually for"},{"startTime":1771.34,"endTime":1773.56,"body":"some sort of benefit to them for this."},{"startTime":1773.56,"endTime":1775.93,"body":"It's I guess of following island."},{"startTime":1776.26,"endTime":1779.7,"body":"Yeah. Because there's not really I don't know"},{"startTime":1776.26,"endTime":1779.7,"body":"if there's money or anything on this island"},{"startTime":1780.39,"endTime":1785.5,"body":"is a bamboo planes and"},{"startTime":1780.39,"endTime":1785.5,"body":"satellites, Coca-Cola bottle caps."},{"startTime":1785.5,"endTime":1788.65,"body":"I don't know. Hey, that's very valuable."},{"startTime":1788.65,"endTime":1789.81,"body":"And fallout. Exactly."},{"startTime":1789.85,"endTime":1791.26,"body":"They're just weird at the time."},{"startTime":1791.44,"endTime":1795.96,"body":"Exactly. They're they're geared up"},{"startTime":1791.44,"endTime":1795.96,"body":"for the apocalypse, man."},{"startTime":1796.6,"endTime":1799.09,"body":"So Chief Isaac's group is"},{"startTime":1796.6,"endTime":1799.09,"body":"is much different, though."},{"startTime":1799.27,"endTime":1801.76,"body":"His sole focus is on worshipping firm."},{"startTime":1802.03,"endTime":1803.53,"body":"It's his group that leads them."},{"startTime":1803.53,"endTime":1808.57,"body":"They're my. 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