Nov. 3, 2020

John Frum and The Cargo Cults

John Frum and The Cargo Cults

Every year on February 15th, locals of the island of Tanna in Vanuatu gather in swarms to celebrate their messiah. It’s the holiest of days for the small island.

Some of their celebrations look like standard worship: song and dance, prayer and chanting, cheering and gathering. Most of it, though, is not what one might expect to see on an island in the South Pacific –nearly 7300 miles from the continental United States.

That’s because the worshippers, who have travelled from across the island to the village of Lamakara to celebrate, are gathered around the American flag.

The men are marching in military-style–led by a “drill sergeant.” The letters U-S-A are painted in bold red strokes on their bare backs and chests. They are armed with bamboo designed to look like rifles –complete with red painted tips to represent bloody bayonets. The leaders are even dressed in authentic USA military uniforms.

These worshippers belong to a cargo cult –birthed from a visit from American soldiers in World War II. They are worshipping their American God –John Frum. They are praying for Frumto supply them with cargo. They’ve been praying for this since the end of World War II –but so far, John Frum’s nowhere to be seen.

Some say he lives in America. Some say he lives in the island’s volcano. Some say, in spite of hundreds of people worshipping him as their messiah, that he doesn’t know –nor did he ever –exist.

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Sources for this episode include In John They Trust by Paul Raffaele, as seen in The Smithsonian Magazine; The University of Victoria; Waiting for John, a documentary directed by Jessica Sherry; and The Jon Frum Movement archives

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How's it going, man?"},{"startTime":47.4,"endTime":48.42,"body":"Has it gone good?"},{"startTime":48.42,"endTime":50.43,"body":"Good. Did you like your introduction?"},{"startTime":51.57,"endTime":52.87,"body":"You nailed it, man."},{"startTime":53.88,"endTime":55.38,"body":"Where's the papers? I want to sign up."},{"startTime":56.13,"endTime":57.72,"body":"I need to host. This is perfect."},{"startTime":58.74,"endTime":62.04,"body":"So for your podcast, The Dumbfoundead,"},{"startTime":58.74,"endTime":62.04,"body":"you guys talk about crazy."},{"startTime":62.05,"endTime":65.64,"body":"That's obviously what's maybe one of the craziest"},{"startTime":62.05,"endTime":65.64,"body":"deaths that you guys have covered so"},{"startTime":65.64,"endTime":68.41,"body":"far. Just to give our audience a little"},{"startTime":65.64,"endTime":68.41,"body":"taste, I'll let you take that one."},{"startTime":68.43,"endTime":72.18,"body":"Patrick, I know which way you're going"},{"startTime":68.43,"endTime":72.18,"body":"to pick, which was my favorite one."},{"startTime":72.36,"endTime":76.51,"body":"Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah."},{"startTime":76.95,"endTime":78.36,"body":"This this is one."},{"startTime":78.36,"endTime":82.14,"body":"And this guy was into bestiality."},{"startTime":82.26,"endTime":84.08,"body":"Oh, no. Yeah."},{"startTime":84.12,"endTime":91.24,"body":"And let's just say he had a little"},{"startTime":84.12,"endTime":91.24,"body":"entanglement with a horse and it a.."},{"startTime":91.26,"endTime":95.88,"body":"Well it seemed like they were in"},{"startTime":91.26,"endTime":95.88,"body":"a cult, that warship farm animal stuff."},{"startTime":95.91,"endTime":97.77,"body":"Yeah that's true. 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There's so many other animals."},{"startTime":110.4,"endTime":113.1,"body":"I just don't, you know,"},{"startTime":110.4,"endTime":113.1,"body":"whatever to each their own."},{"startTime":113.1,"endTime":115.17,"body":"I guess I don't condone any of it, but."},{"startTime":115.17,"endTime":120.21,"body":"But to choose a horse is I mean,"},{"startTime":115.17,"endTime":120.21,"body":"risk brisket for the biscuit I guess."},{"startTime":120.69,"endTime":123.42,"body":"Well that Seabiscuit risk big time."},{"startTime":123.42,"endTime":127.35,"body":"So and yeah, it made"},{"startTime":123.42,"endTime":127.35,"body":"his life really difficult."},{"startTime":129.23,"endTime":131.97,"body":"It is short to probably wheel the horses."},{"startTime":131.97,"endTime":133.86,"body":"Thing wasn't so good."},{"startTime":135.3,"endTime":136.86,"body":"So yeah. That sounds interesting to you."},{"startTime":136.86,"endTime":140.79,"body":"I mean, it sounds to me I'm going to"},{"startTime":136.86,"endTime":140.79,"body":"go watch that episode, but definitely check out the"},{"startTime":140.79,"endTime":142.08,"body":"Dumbfoundead podcast."},{"startTime":142.38,"endTime":147.48,"body":"Now, I chose this specific ALZ for you guys,"},{"startTime":142.38,"endTime":147.48,"body":"the cult for this episode, for reasons that"},{"startTime":147.48,"endTime":149.04,"body":"will become clear in a few moments."},{"startTime":149.19,"endTime":152.73,"body":"But before we get into the episode, I did"},{"startTime":149.19,"endTime":152.73,"body":"a little research on you guys before the show"},{"startTime":152.97,"endTime":158.28,"body":"and correct me if I'm wrong, but Jon, I believe"},{"startTime":152.97,"endTime":158.28,"body":"you were in a branch of the the US"},{"startTime":158.28,"endTime":159.69,"body":"military, is that correct?"},{"startTime":159.9,"endTime":161.79,"body":"Yes, it's the flying cult."},{"startTime":165.09,"endTime":167.03,"body":"OK, OK, very interesting."},{"startTime":167.04,"endTime":169.71,"body":"And Patrick, you've known Jon"},{"startTime":167.04,"endTime":169.71,"body":"for a while, right?"},{"startTime":169.95,"endTime":171.69,"body":"Yeah, about 15 years now."},{"startTime":171.78,"endTime":172.79,"body":"Oh, OK."},{"startTime":173.04,"endTime":177.96,"body":"Does he seem like someone who could inspire"},{"startTime":173.04,"endTime":177.96,"body":"an entire people to worship him for about"},{"startTime":177.99,"endTime":179.22,"body":"half a century or something?"},{"startTime":179.37,"endTime":184.46,"body":"Half a century is the older than"},{"startTime":179.37,"endTime":184.46,"body":"he looks is what a man?"},{"startTime":186.54,"endTime":190.2,"body":"I don't think Jon could get people"},{"startTime":186.54,"endTime":190.2,"body":"to follow him for that long."},{"startTime":190.35,"endTime":192.48,"body":"Hey, man, I got some charisma."},{"startTime":192.75,"endTime":200.36,"body":"I mean, I'm not saying you don't, but we're"},{"startTime":192.75,"endTime":200.36,"body":"finding out there is my entire theory of this"},{"startTime":200.37,"endTime":205.0,"body":"episode rests on him being able to"},{"startTime":200.37,"endTime":205.0,"body":"get a bunch of followers very quickly."},{"startTime":205.98,"endTime":211.56,"body":"So I hope he can, because today's episode, we're"},{"startTime":205.98,"endTime":211.56,"body":"going to be focusing on the cargo cult,"},{"startTime":211.74,"endTime":215.94,"body":"these remote island cults, which are the"},{"startTime":211.74,"endTime":215.94,"body":"direct result of European colonialism and"},{"startTime":215.94,"endTime":218.15,"body":"American soldiers, which are mostly extinct."},{"startTime":218.34,"endTime":222.33,"body":"One, though, remains on an island in the"},{"startTime":218.34,"endTime":222.33,"body":"South Pacific where islanders believe in an"},{"startTime":222.33,"endTime":226.89,"body":"American God who will supply them with"},{"startTime":222.33,"endTime":226.89,"body":"advanced technology and good fortune, a messiah"},{"startTime":226.89,"endTime":229.33,"body":"like figure known as John Broome."},{"startTime":229.72,"endTime":235.59,"body":"Oh, John, you know, I'm still doing some"},{"startTime":229.72,"endTime":235.59,"body":"sort of role play in this episode."},{"startTime":236.07,"endTime":240.45,"body":"Well, yeah, you'd be the horse and."},{"startTime":240.45,"endTime":244.42,"body":"No, no, no."},{"startTime":244.92,"endTime":246.51,"body":"I just see the connections."},{"startTime":246.52,"endTime":253.5,"body":"American soldiers, John made up sounding last name,"},{"startTime":246.52,"endTime":253.5,"body":"you know, OK, like it was falling"},{"startTime":253.87,"endTime":255.6,"body":"into place when I was doing the research."},{"startTime":255.72,"endTime":257.19,"body":"I feel like you did this on purpose."},{"startTime":257.2,"endTime":259.11,"body":"I like you. You strategized about this."},{"startTime":259.14,"endTime":260.7,"body":"It was a lucky coincidence."},{"startTime":262.41,"endTime":268.83,"body":"So if you guys heard of the cargo cults or"},{"startTime":262.41,"endTime":268.83,"body":"any or John Froom, no good, because this will"},{"startTime":268.83,"endTime":271.11,"body":"make for a very interesting"},{"startTime":268.83,"endTime":271.11,"body":"episode, then we're ready."},{"startTime":271.26,"endTime":272.87,"body":"Perfect. We'll start at the beginning."},{"startTime":272.88,"endTime":274.5,"body":"Kind of talk about the islands a bit."},{"startTime":274.5,"endTime":279.42,"body":"So at the turn of the 20th century,"},{"startTime":274.5,"endTime":279.42,"body":"British and French colonizers and missionaries docked"},{"startTime":279.42,"endTime":283.08,"body":"their boats on the white sandy"},{"startTime":279.42,"endTime":283.08,"body":"beaches off the coast of Australia."},{"startTime":283.2,"endTime":287.31,"body":"On some islands, the white foreigners name the"},{"startTime":283.2,"endTime":287.31,"body":"string of islands New Hebrides and forced"},{"startTime":287.32,"endTime":290.93,"body":"the islanders to abandon their customs and"},{"startTime":287.32,"endTime":290.93,"body":"beliefs so that they could become, quote,"},{"startTime":290.94,"endTime":293.22,"body":"civilised in the eyes of the Western world."},{"startTime":293.4,"endTime":297.45,"body":"They made them learn French and English,"},{"startTime":293.4,"endTime":297.45,"body":"forbidding them to speak their native language."},{"startTime":297.48,"endTime":301.38,"body":"They forced them to go to Christian"},{"startTime":297.48,"endTime":301.38,"body":"churches and built Westernised schools for their"},{"startTime":301.38,"endTime":304.77,"body":"children. They did everything they could to"},{"startTime":301.38,"endTime":304.77,"body":"strip the islanders of their identity."},{"startTime":304.92,"endTime":308.92,"body":"No. Additional dances, no traditional foods"},{"startTime":304.92,"endTime":308.92,"body":"or drinks, no traditional religion or"},{"startTime":308.92,"endTime":312.51,"body":"spirituality, traditional languages"},{"startTime":308.92,"endTime":312.51,"body":"and no independence."},{"startTime":312.73,"endTime":318.22,"body":"And I know you guys are thinking, but"},{"startTime":312.73,"endTime":318.22,"body":"the British and French taking over an indigenous"},{"startTime":318.22,"endTime":321.48,"body":"peoples and stripping them of their"},{"startTime":318.22,"endTime":321.48,"body":"culture, that doesn't sound like them."},{"startTime":321.49,"endTime":329.47,"body":"They could never they would never do that multiple"},{"startTime":321.49,"endTime":329.47,"body":"times over the span of a century or"},{"startTime":329.98,"endTime":333.97,"body":"more rude. Have you guys heard of these"},{"startTime":329.98,"endTime":333.97,"body":"islands like these down in the South Pacific?"},{"startTime":334.09,"endTime":335.5,"body":"No, I'm scared of everything."},{"startTime":335.5,"endTime":337.42,"body":"Australia. I feel like everything"},{"startTime":335.5,"endTime":337.42,"body":"here will kill me."},{"startTime":337.97,"endTime":344.32,"body":"They're not I don't think they're technically Australian,"},{"startTime":337.97,"endTime":344.32,"body":"but it's close enough to many of"},{"startTime":344.32,"endTime":349.0,"body":"the islanders were kidnapped and shipped to"},{"startTime":344.32,"endTime":349.0,"body":"Australia to work was brutal, heartbreaking"},{"startTime":349.0,"endTime":350.98,"body":"and terrifying for the entire island nation."},{"startTime":351.25,"endTime":356.74,"body":"Then, decades into the islanders ruthless colonisation,"},{"startTime":351.25,"endTime":356.74,"body":"King John Froom, a hero clad in"},{"startTime":356.74,"endTime":359.86,"body":"white. No one knows who John from"},{"startTime":356.74,"endTime":359.86,"body":"is or where he came from."},{"startTime":359.98,"endTime":364.0,"body":"But he has many origin stories on"},{"startTime":359.98,"endTime":364.0,"body":"on the island of the South Pacific."},{"startTime":364.0,"endTime":367.87,"body":"And I'll be going through like some"},{"startTime":364.0,"endTime":367.87,"body":"of the most prominent origin stories."},{"startTime":367.87,"endTime":371.74,"body":"But my main theory is still that"},{"startTime":367.87,"endTime":371.74,"body":"it's you, John, except I'm not white."},{"startTime":371.74,"endTime":375.64,"body":"I'm Super 10. It says clad in white gladioli."},{"startTime":375.67,"endTime":377.78,"body":"OK, so OK, good to know."},{"startTime":378.28,"endTime":382.0,"body":"Yeah. I don't know if"},{"startTime":378.28,"endTime":382.0,"body":"it mentions his ethnicity."},{"startTime":382.0,"endTime":383.41,"body":"I don't know. I don't think it does."},{"startTime":383.41,"endTime":385.99,"body":"So it's a legend."},{"startTime":385.99,"endTime":388.54,"body":"So I don't I don't know if"},{"startTime":385.99,"endTime":388.54,"body":"they classify them as white or not."},{"startTime":388.63,"endTime":393.7,"body":"But anyway, the first story I'll tell you guys,"},{"startTime":388.63,"endTime":393.7,"body":"in the late nineteen thirties, a group of"},{"startTime":393.7,"endTime":398.41,"body":"elders on the island of Tanna chugged quite"},{"startTime":393.7,"endTime":398.41,"body":"a few shells of kava, which is an"},{"startTime":398.41,"endTime":402.58,"body":"intoxicating blend of pepper and"},{"startTime":398.41,"endTime":402.58,"body":"narcotics known as island beer."},{"startTime":402.85,"endTime":407.92,"body":"I can only imagine the morning after drinking that"},{"startTime":402.85,"endTime":407.92,"body":"feels like it's got to be the worst"},{"startTime":407.92,"endTime":410.71,"body":"hangover. It's just pepper"},{"startTime":407.92,"endTime":410.71,"body":"and narcotics, right?"},{"startTime":410.8,"endTime":417.7,"body":"What can I get a bottle? No, send John over"},{"startTime":410.8,"endTime":417.7,"body":"to you and just just pay shipping and handling"},{"startTime":417.71,"endTime":423.43,"body":"brawl. I got you. So in their drunken state,"},{"startTime":417.71,"endTime":423.43,"body":"they were visited by a man who spoke the"},{"startTime":423.43,"endTime":424.99,"body":"native language of the island."},{"startTime":425.11,"endTime":427.18,"body":"He encouraged the islanders"},{"startTime":425.11,"endTime":427.18,"body":"to abandon everything."},{"startTime":427.18,"endTime":430.48,"body":"The missionaries and colonists taught them to take"},{"startTime":427.18,"endTime":430.48,"body":"their children out of the white man's"},{"startTime":430.48,"endTime":434.29,"body":"schools, to rid themselves of the white man's"},{"startTime":430.48,"endTime":434.29,"body":"money or in clothes, to abandon the"},{"startTime":434.29,"endTime":437.74,"body":"Christian churches and to return"},{"startTime":434.29,"endTime":437.74,"body":"to the traditional island customs."},{"startTime":437.95,"endTime":442.39,"body":"These customs included drinking kava,"},{"startTime":437.95,"endTime":442.39,"body":"worshipping magic stones, performing ritualistic"},{"startTime":442.39,"endTime":447.16,"body":"dances and other traditions deemed, quote,"},{"startTime":442.39,"endTime":447.16,"body":"savage and forbidden by the colonizers."},{"startTime":447.43,"endTime":452.5,"body":"This story definitely sounds like just a bunch of"},{"startTime":447.43,"endTime":452.5,"body":"guys got out and got just wasted and"},{"startTime":453.13,"endTime":458.53,"body":"hallucinated their own desires, which gave them the"},{"startTime":453.13,"endTime":458.53,"body":"I don't know, the motivation to fight"},{"startTime":458.53,"endTime":461.05,"body":"off their oppressors. I guess that's"},{"startTime":458.53,"endTime":461.05,"body":"kind of where I get this."},{"startTime":461.05,"endTime":464.11,"body":"It's kind of a hopeful story,"},{"startTime":461.05,"endTime":464.11,"body":"but probably not the true one."},{"startTime":464.14,"endTime":465.67,"body":"It sounds like us on a Friday night."},{"startTime":466.06,"endTime":469.57,"body":"Yeah, I was just going to ask, how"},{"startTime":466.06,"endTime":469.57,"body":"much is the ticket to these islands?"},{"startTime":471.79,"endTime":477.94,"body":"Bottle of Cava. And then so you guys do"},{"startTime":471.79,"endTime":477.94,"body":"this every Friday, you just get wasted and then"},{"startTime":478.54,"endTime":479.71,"body":"want to fight the white man."},{"startTime":479.98,"endTime":489.9,"body":"This will probably probably twenty twenty"},{"startTime":479.98,"endTime":489.9,"body":"bucks twenty twenty before Corona go."},{"startTime":490.69,"endTime":497.32,"body":"Right. It was like years ago said one of"},{"startTime":490.69,"endTime":497.32,"body":"the other versions of the origin of John Froom"},{"startTime":497.32,"endTime":502.21,"body":"was he was simply made up by the locals who yearn"},{"startTime":497.32,"endTime":502.21,"body":"for a man to be on their side to join"},{"startTime":502.21,"endTime":504.88,"body":"their fight against the colonizers"},{"startTime":502.21,"endTime":504.88,"body":"and to empathize with them."},{"startTime":504.88,"endTime":508.96,"body":"Basically, this version was backed up in"},{"startTime":504.88,"endTime":508.96,"body":"the nineteen forties by the island administrator,"},{"startTime":508.96,"endTime":514.03,"body":"Alexander Batool, who said that the word Froom"},{"startTime":508.96,"endTime":514.03,"body":"is actually pronounced like the word room"},{"startTime":514.03,"endTime":518.56,"body":"in Tanny's. So John Froom was created as a"},{"startTime":514.03,"endTime":518.56,"body":"symbol for sweeping the white people off the"},{"startTime":518.56,"endTime":520.96,"body":"island, which I think is very poetic."},{"startTime":520.96,"endTime":522.46,"body":"Pretty deep. Pretty deep."},{"startTime":522.71,"endTime":525.85,"body":"Exactly. And then there's a variation."},{"startTime":525.85,"endTime":530.53,"body":"So the other story is that John's firm's name"},{"startTime":525.85,"endTime":530.53,"body":"just means John from America or even John"},{"startTime":530.53,"endTime":534.16,"body":"from somewhere else. Whether or not the name"},{"startTime":530.53,"endTime":534.16,"body":"takes a double meaning of sweeping out the"},{"startTime":534.22,"endTime":538.78,"body":"white colonizers varies from person to"},{"startTime":534.22,"endTime":538.78,"body":"person, depending on individual beliefs."},{"startTime":538.78,"endTime":543.91,"body":"But the John from America meaning is"},{"startTime":538.78,"endTime":543.91,"body":"the most widely acknowledged among historians."},{"startTime":544.09,"endTime":548.77,"body":"They make the most sense because they create"},{"startTime":544.09,"endTime":548.77,"body":"this messiah like figure to help motivate"},{"startTime":548.77,"endTime":552.28,"body":"them to rebel against the white people"},{"startTime":548.77,"endTime":552.28,"body":"that have taken over the island, basically."},{"startTime":552.43,"endTime":554.8,"body":"And I think that's I"},{"startTime":552.43,"endTime":554.8,"body":"think everyone should do this."},{"startTime":557.17,"endTime":558.22,"body":"I support it all."},{"startTime":558.61,"endTime":562.13,"body":"Yeah, it's like your uncle, right?"},{"startTime":562.18,"endTime":565.66,"body":"Yeah. Yeah. Well, we'll start in"},{"startTime":562.18,"endTime":565.66,"body":"North America, you know, start small."},{"startTime":565.69,"endTime":567.52,"body":"We'll try and wipe all"},{"startTime":565.69,"endTime":567.52,"body":"the white people off there."},{"startTime":568.3,"endTime":572.05,"body":"Yeah. Good luck, Patrick."},{"startTime":572.05,"endTime":573.76,"body":"You got California. I got Texas."},{"startTime":574.12,"endTime":575.23,"body":"I'll get all of Canada."},{"startTime":575.8,"endTime":578.27,"body":"Yeah. There you go. Have a"},{"startTime":575.8,"endTime":578.27,"body":"pincer attack going on right there."},{"startTime":578.53,"endTime":581.81,"body":"It's perfect. We'll end it in New York,"},{"startTime":578.53,"endTime":581.81,"body":"grab a shawarma and and or something."},{"startTime":581.83,"endTime":584.68,"body":"Sounds perfect. 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They tricked."},{"startTime":760.49,"endTime":762.53,"body":"They tricked. Dammit."},{"startTime":762.53,"endTime":764.78,"body":"John King."},{"startTime":764.78,"endTime":766.58,"body":"John, it's always a John."},{"startTime":767.15,"endTime":770.6,"body":"It was while the Americans were stationed on"},{"startTime":767.15,"endTime":770.6,"body":"the island that the Messiah, John Froom,"},{"startTime":770.6,"endTime":771.83,"body":"became Americanized."},{"startTime":772.13,"endTime":776.27,"body":"So before he was basically just this figure"},{"startTime":772.13,"endTime":776.27,"body":"had no country or anything like that."},{"startTime":776.27,"endTime":780.86,"body":"He was just a figure. 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So, so definitely take a look at them, I'll"},{"startTime":1246.01,"endTime":1249.22,"body":"link them in the show notes like I said,"},{"startTime":1249.22,"endTime":1251.95,"body":"so that everyone can take"},{"startTime":1249.22,"endTime":1251.95,"body":"a look but definitely cool."},{"startTime":1252.94,"endTime":1258.13,"body":"In 1960 for a cargo cult in Papua New"},{"startTime":1252.94,"endTime":1258.13,"body":"Guinea, pledged a thousand dollars to get US"},{"startTime":1258.13,"endTime":1260.32,"body":"government official."},{"startTime":1260.32,"endTime":1263.35,"body":"I don't know what he was technically"},{"startTime":1260.32,"endTime":1263.35,"body":"the president, wasn't he, Lyndon B."},{"startTime":1263.35,"endTime":1264.67,"body":"Johnson? Yeah, it was a president."},{"startTime":1264.7,"endTime":1266.8,"body":"Yeah, it was in nineteen sixty four."},{"startTime":1267.03,"endTime":1270.4,"body":"Sure. I love history."},{"startTime":1270.4,"endTime":1271.9,"body":"Yeah, I missed a word there."},{"startTime":1271.9,"endTime":1275.56,"body":"I think I just turned, I just turned American"},{"startTime":1271.9,"endTime":1275.56,"body":"a few years ago so it's all good."},{"startTime":1276.1,"endTime":1277.55,"body":"I'm Canadian so I've no idea."},{"startTime":1277.57,"endTime":1282.46,"body":"And Jack. Well Patrick, you've been"},{"startTime":1277.57,"endTime":1282.46,"body":"a citizen so what's your excuse."},{"startTime":1283.42,"endTime":1288.01,"body":"So they pledged a thousand dollars to Lyndon Johnson"},{"startTime":1283.42,"endTime":1288.01,"body":"if you would come to the island and"},{"startTime":1288.01,"endTime":1289.84,"body":"be their most revered chief."},{"startTime":1289.99,"endTime":1294.58,"body":"But Johnson stayed home, unfortunately, shattering"},{"startTime":1289.99,"endTime":1294.58,"body":"the hearts of hopeful cult members."},{"startTime":1294.67,"endTime":1296.74,"body":"I don't know why"},{"startTime":1294.67,"endTime":1296.74,"body":"they wanted him specifically."},{"startTime":1296.89,"endTime":1301.57,"body":"If it's because they're like Johnson's close"},{"startTime":1296.89,"endTime":1301.57,"body":"enough to John or they literally maybe"},{"startTime":1301.57,"endTime":1302.92,"body":"thought he was John's son."},{"startTime":1302.95,"endTime":1307.84,"body":"I don't know, like they're like"},{"startTime":1302.95,"endTime":1307.84,"body":"the son of our messiah."},{"startTime":1307.84,"endTime":1310.06,"body":"We'll take that. Like we'll give"},{"startTime":1307.84,"endTime":1310.06,"body":"you a thousand dollars for that."},{"startTime":1310.16,"endTime":1312.28,"body":"Like there's so many Johnsons out there."},{"startTime":1313.39,"endTime":1315.97,"body":"Well, he was made of the most"},{"startTime":1313.39,"endTime":1315.97,"body":"famous one, though, right at the time."},{"startTime":1315.97,"endTime":1320.44,"body":"That's true. And I mean, I don't know if I"},{"startTime":1315.97,"endTime":1320.44,"body":"was him, why wouldn't you just take it like"},{"startTime":1320.53,"endTime":1321.82,"body":"there, make you your God?"},{"startTime":1321.82,"endTime":1324.51,"body":"Basically, like they make it a paradise?"},{"startTime":1324.68,"endTime":1326.38,"body":"Yeah. We show up at least."},{"startTime":1326.38,"endTime":1328.75,"body":"Come on. We're calling them out right now."},{"startTime":1328.75,"endTime":1331.96,"body":"I don't know if he's still alive or"},{"startTime":1328.75,"endTime":1331.96,"body":"not, but I don't think he is."},{"startTime":1332.17,"endTime":1333.9,"body":"Probably not. That was a while ago."},{"startTime":1334.48,"endTime":1338.64,"body":"As time went on, more and more islands"},{"startTime":1334.48,"endTime":1338.64,"body":"in the South Pacific began abandoning their"},{"startTime":1338.65,"endTime":1342.37,"body":"worship for John Froom, tired of waiting"},{"startTime":1338.65,"endTime":1342.37,"body":"for their messiah that never showed up."},{"startTime":1342.58,"endTime":1346.9,"body":"The small island of Tanna, though, kept up"},{"startTime":1342.58,"endTime":1346.9,"body":"a fierce hope that still holds strong today."},{"startTime":1347.11,"endTime":1350.56,"body":"Well, many Taiwanese still follow the Christian"},{"startTime":1347.11,"endTime":1350.56,"body":"faith introduced to them by the"},{"startTime":1350.56,"endTime":1354.55,"body":"missionaries. They have blended their Christian ideals"},{"startTime":1350.56,"endTime":1354.55,"body":"with that of their belief in John"},{"startTime":1354.55,"endTime":1359.83,"body":"Froom, one islander, explained to a reporter for"},{"startTime":1354.55,"endTime":1359.83,"body":"the Smithsonian that, quote, I am now a"},{"startTime":1359.83,"endTime":1363.97,"body":"Christian, but like most people on Tanna, I"},{"startTime":1359.83,"endTime":1363.97,"body":"still have John Froom in my heart."},{"startTime":1364.24,"endTime":1367.42,"body":"If we keep praying to John, he'll"},{"startTime":1364.24,"endTime":1367.42,"body":"come back with plenty of cargo."},{"startTime":1368.17,"endTime":1371.59,"body":"Still find it so funny that just like"},{"startTime":1368.17,"endTime":1371.59,"body":"we need a job, you got to go."},{"startTime":1371.95,"endTime":1373.93,"body":"I know this is an opportunity."},{"startTime":1374.53,"endTime":1377.29,"body":"Maybe maybe he died and"},{"startTime":1374.53,"endTime":1377.29,"body":"he just didn't resurrect."},{"startTime":1377.29,"endTime":1378.85,"body":"Yeah. Like Jesus in three days."},{"startTime":1378.85,"endTime":1382.12,"body":"That's his his waiting time is little longer."},{"startTime":1382.3,"endTime":1383.92,"body":"And you're the resurrection, bro."},{"startTime":1383.92,"endTime":1386.4,"body":"You are the one true."},{"startTime":1387.26,"endTime":1389.86,"body":"You you've woken up, you"},{"startTime":1387.26,"endTime":1389.86,"body":"have to fly over there."},{"startTime":1389.98,"endTime":1391.27,"body":"I'm just going to indoctrinate them."},{"startTime":1391.27,"endTime":1393.19,"body":"Like listen to my podcast."},{"startTime":1394.0,"endTime":1396.31,"body":"Maybe with their satellite dishes"},{"startTime":1394.0,"endTime":1396.31,"body":"they'll pick you guys up."},{"startTime":1398.11,"endTime":1401.48,"body":"I mean, at this time around, this those"},{"startTime":1398.11,"endTime":1401.48,"body":"are only people are listening to us."},{"startTime":1401.48,"endTime":1404.86,"body":"They like rooms."},{"startTime":1404.86,"endTime":1409.3,"body":"Followers are so devoted to them that they even"},{"startTime":1404.86,"endTime":1409.3,"body":"deemed their most sacred volcano to be the"},{"startTime":1409.3,"endTime":1410.35,"body":"host of John Froom."},{"startTime":1410.62,"endTime":1415.45,"body":"They call that volcano Yasir, which means God"},{"startTime":1410.62,"endTime":1415.45,"body":"and legend has it that Froom uses the"},{"startTime":1415.45,"endTime":1419.68,"body":"island to gain access to the sea, where"},{"startTime":1415.45,"endTime":1419.68,"body":"he travels back and forth regularly from the"},{"startTime":1419.68,"endTime":1425.4,"body":"United States to make a lot"},{"startTime":1419.68,"endTime":1425.4,"body":"of direct flights to volcanoes."},{"startTime":1425.62,"endTime":1427.72,"body":"And that's a lot of frequent flyer miles."},{"startTime":1427.73,"endTime":1429.97,"body":"Mann Holy holy platinum or something."},{"startTime":1429.97,"endTime":1434.35,"body":"Now, especially during covid,"},{"startTime":1429.97,"endTime":1434.35,"body":"that's cheap flights."},{"startTime":1435.1,"endTime":1436.24,"body":"Oh God."},{"startTime":1436.87,"endTime":1440.83,"body":"At sunset each night, the most prominent male"},{"startTime":1436.87,"endTime":1440.83,"body":"members of the cargo cult drink covid"},{"startTime":1440.83,"endTime":1442.42,"body":"together and pray to Froom."},{"startTime":1442.42,"endTime":1445.0,"body":"And they also have a sign"},{"startTime":1442.42,"endTime":1445.0,"body":"that says no girls allowed."},{"startTime":1446.29,"endTime":1450.43,"body":"The chief then makes his way into the woods"},{"startTime":1446.29,"endTime":1450.43,"body":"alone, where he meets with firm spirit and"},{"startTime":1450.43,"endTime":1456.45,"body":"speaks with him. The man, though, he's"},{"startTime":1450.43,"endTime":1456.45,"body":"still fucked up on the basis."},{"startTime":1456.52,"endTime":1457.64,"body":"Yeah, for sure."},{"startTime":1458.17,"endTime":1463.12,"body":"The chief's hut is decorated with American"},{"startTime":1458.17,"endTime":1463.12,"body":"flags, military uniforms and handmade wooden"},{"startTime":1463.12,"endTime":1466.93,"body":"bald eagles. Most prominently, there are two"},{"startTime":1463.12,"endTime":1466.93,"body":"blackboards like you might see in an"},{"startTime":1466.93,"endTime":1470.32,"body":"elementary school with John Friends"},{"startTime":1466.93,"endTime":1470.32,"body":"Commandments written on them."},{"startTime":1470.32,"endTime":1475.27,"body":"On the board, Froom tells his followers to lead"},{"startTime":1470.32,"endTime":1475.27,"body":"a custom life and to not commit any acts"},{"startTime":1475.27,"endTime":1476.95,"body":"of violence onto another person."},{"startTime":1477.88,"endTime":1483.58,"body":"I find that while because if I saw someone"},{"startTime":1477.88,"endTime":1483.58,"body":"with an American flags all over their house,"},{"startTime":1483.58,"endTime":1490.81,"body":"military uniforms, you know, I the last thing I"},{"startTime":1483.58,"endTime":1490.81,"body":"would expect is to be like, we don't do"},{"startTime":1490.81,"endTime":1492.49,"body":"violence here. You know what I mean?"},{"startTime":1493.39,"endTime":1496.03,"body":"No offense to America."},{"startTime":1496.42,"endTime":1500.02,"body":"None taken. You're like, I know those people."},{"startTime":1500.11,"endTime":1503.65,"body":"Yeah, yeah, yeah. Actually, we know"},{"startTime":1500.11,"endTime":1503.65,"body":"we're fucking up around here."},{"startTime":1505.39,"endTime":1506.68,"body":"And we're all very scared."},{"startTime":1506.71,"endTime":1508.06,"body":"Please, please get it together."},{"startTime":1508.72,"endTime":1511.19,"body":"We're scared to trust me and we live here."},{"startTime":1511.66,"endTime":1514.99,"body":"Now, I'm really wondering if they get the"},{"startTime":1511.66,"endTime":1514.99,"body":"news that they're looking in America, American"},{"startTime":1514.99,"endTime":1519.07,"body":"like man, they need they need John Freund."},{"startTime":1519.07,"endTime":1522.03,"body":"They need from this Jesus"},{"startTime":1519.07,"endTime":1522.03,"body":"guy isn't cutting it."},{"startTime":1522.04,"endTime":1525.94,"body":"They need the phone. Maybe"},{"startTime":1522.04,"endTime":1525.94,"body":"he was an American."},{"startTime":1526.12,"endTime":1527.2,"body":"He's Canadian."},{"startTime":1527.56,"endTime":1529.35,"body":"Oh, changing."},{"startTime":1529.42,"endTime":1533.62,"body":"They start changing their flags everywhere."},{"startTime":1534.79,"endTime":1536.26,"body":"Maple syrup. I don't know."},{"startTime":1537.07,"endTime":1538.69,"body":"Poutine. Sounds good."},{"startTime":1539.02,"endTime":1540.88,"body":"We'd probably still get messed up on covid."},{"startTime":1541.57,"endTime":1544.38,"body":"Yeah. I mean, I think that's like a"},{"startTime":1541.57,"endTime":1544.38,"body":"universal thing that we got going on."},{"startTime":1544.4,"endTime":1545.91,"body":"We'll get fucked that one. Yeah."},{"startTime":1545.95,"endTime":1547.3,"body":"Whatever, whatever. Put it in me."},{"startTime":1549.19,"endTime":1553.66,"body":"The board itself also boasts a large Red"},{"startTime":1549.19,"endTime":1553.66,"body":"Cross, which is another religious symbol for"},{"startTime":1553.66,"endTime":1559.24,"body":"firms followers, which is probably copied from the"},{"startTime":1553.66,"endTime":1559.24,"body":"side of wartime ambulances or the Red"},{"startTime":1559.24,"endTime":1560.71,"body":"Cross. Yeah, exactly."},{"startTime":1560.71,"endTime":1564.63,"body":"Yeah. I mean, yeah, there's"},{"startTime":1560.71,"endTime":1564.63,"body":"worse things to Abaza."},{"startTime":1564.64,"endTime":1566.45,"body":"I mean I guess. Yeah, yeah."},{"startTime":1566.65,"endTime":1569.95,"body":"Yeah. Definitely words or"},{"startTime":1566.65,"endTime":1569.95,"body":"symbols you can have."},{"startTime":1570.19,"endTime":1571.93,"body":"Yeah, yeah. Maybe it was a Swiss guy."},{"startTime":1571.93,"endTime":1574.56,"body":"There you go. Pretty, pretty fast."},{"startTime":1574.59,"endTime":1576.55,"body":"I don't know what he'd be doing"},{"startTime":1574.59,"endTime":1576.55,"body":"out there in the war though."},{"startTime":1577.4,"endTime":1578.67,"body":"Really. Do think he got lost."},{"startTime":1579.76,"endTime":1581.56,"body":"It's like oh shit, I'm in the wrong unit."},{"startTime":1582.83,"endTime":1584.35,"body":"I was looking for Australia."},{"startTime":1584.35,"endTime":1587.58,"body":"Are we. 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Hilarious because it is such"},{"startTime":1608.32,"endTime":1615.94,"body":"a mundane name and so weird."},{"startTime":1617.08,"endTime":1619.45,"body":"Like, would you follow a guy named Fred?"},{"startTime":1620.29,"endTime":1622.84,"body":"This is like Prophet Fred has spoken to me."},{"startTime":1623.29,"endTime":1628.21,"body":"Like what? Yeah, I'd maybe follow him"},{"startTime":1623.29,"endTime":1628.21,"body":"to like, I don't know, a cheeseburger."},{"startTime":1628.33,"endTime":1630.94,"body":"Like a depot."},{"startTime":1630.94,"endTime":1633.43,"body":"Yeah. I'm Prophet Fred."},{"startTime":1633.43,"endTime":1636.34,"body":"I'm I'll be your health at the DMV."},{"startTime":1637.18,"endTime":1638.74,"body":"Yeah. Yeah, exactly."},{"startTime":1638.89,"endTime":1642.43,"body":"And it's totally OK to make fun of them because"},{"startTime":1638.89,"endTime":1642.43,"body":"he's kind of a he's kind of a piece of"},{"startTime":1642.43,"endTime":1646.93,"body":"shit to be honest. Fred is is a cult"},{"startTime":1642.43,"endTime":1646.93,"body":"leader in his own right, claiming to have revived"},{"startTime":1646.93,"endTime":1650.71,"body":"his wife from the dead. His followers hanging"},{"startTime":1646.93,"endTime":1650.71,"body":"on to his every word is gospel."},{"startTime":1650.98,"endTime":1655.36,"body":"And he claimed to have a vision while on a"},{"startTime":1650.98,"endTime":1655.36,"body":"fishing boat in which God told them to preach"},{"startTime":1655.36,"endTime":1659.62,"body":"a new religion. After his vision, he properly"},{"startTime":1655.36,"endTime":1659.62,"body":"founded his own version of the cargo cult"},{"startTime":1659.74,"endTime":1661.21,"body":"he named Unity."},{"startTime":1661.54,"endTime":1666.49,"body":"So Unity blends together Christianity, John Froom"},{"startTime":1661.54,"endTime":1666.49,"body":"and ancient rituals to create a"},{"startTime":1666.49,"endTime":1669.85,"body":"doctrine that basically as many"},{"startTime":1666.49,"endTime":1669.85,"body":"islanders will want to follow."},{"startTime":1670.03,"endTime":1675.1,"body":"And Prophet Fred's group does not worship John"},{"startTime":1670.03,"endTime":1675.1,"body":"Froom as their messiah, but rather use him"},{"startTime":1675.1,"endTime":1677.53,"body":"as a disciple like figure prophet."},{"startTime":1677.53,"endTime":1680.62,"body":"Fred is kind of filling that messiah"},{"startTime":1677.53,"endTime":1680.62,"body":"like figure, I guess, in this cult."},{"startTime":1680.62,"endTime":1683.14,"body":"And John Froom is just like a figurehead."},{"startTime":1683.2,"endTime":1684.62,"body":"He's like Paul or something like that."},{"startTime":1684.65,"endTime":1687.73,"body":"One of the guys. 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He's claiming to be able"},{"startTime":1760.72,"endTime":1764.86,"body":"to heal and like, tell your future."},{"startTime":1764.86,"endTime":1771.34,"body":"And it's a lot of cult leaders grifts is"},{"startTime":1764.86,"endTime":1771.34,"body":"to promise healing in some sort of usually for"},{"startTime":1771.34,"endTime":1773.56,"body":"some sort of benefit to them for this."},{"startTime":1773.56,"endTime":1775.93,"body":"It's I guess of following island."},{"startTime":1776.26,"endTime":1779.7,"body":"Yeah. Because there's not really I don't know"},{"startTime":1776.26,"endTime":1779.7,"body":"if there's money or anything on this island"},{"startTime":1780.39,"endTime":1785.5,"body":"is a bamboo planes and"},{"startTime":1780.39,"endTime":1785.5,"body":"satellites, Coca-Cola bottle caps."},{"startTime":1785.5,"endTime":1788.65,"body":"I don't know. Hey, that's very valuable."},{"startTime":1788.65,"endTime":1789.81,"body":"And fallout. Exactly."},{"startTime":1789.85,"endTime":1791.26,"body":"They're just weird at the time."},{"startTime":1791.44,"endTime":1795.96,"body":"Exactly. They're they're geared up"},{"startTime":1791.44,"endTime":1795.96,"body":"for the apocalypse, man."},{"startTime":1796.6,"endTime":1799.09,"body":"So Chief Isaac's group is"},{"startTime":1796.6,"endTime":1799.09,"body":"is much different, though."},{"startTime":1799.27,"endTime":1801.76,"body":"His sole focus is on worshipping firm."},{"startTime":1802.03,"endTime":1803.53,"body":"It's his group that leads them."},{"startTime":1803.53,"endTime":1808.57,"body":"They're my. Celebration on February 15th of each"},{"startTime":1803.53,"endTime":1808.57,"body":"year, which is drawn from day chief"},{"startTime":1808.57,"endTime":1813.55,"body":"Isaac, is visited by Froom on nearly all of his"},{"startTime":1808.57,"endTime":1813.55,"body":"covid trips and climbs to the top of the"},{"startTime":1813.55,"endTime":1815.47,"body":"volcano to sit near friend's house."},{"startTime":1815.56,"endTime":1820.03,"body":"Almost every day he sees he sees John"},{"startTime":1815.56,"endTime":1820.03,"body":"from every time he trips on Kova."}]}

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